that is way i said you should precise in term of what for me the old golf markV GTI still the best overall (the golf is more sober , better quality and well built than the RS )

They are called Vauxhall’s over here.

where is the golf r20?

like i ve mentioned before is not out yet it will be soon probably for the next year , it is the replacement of the current R32 but instead of having the 3.2l V6 it will have the same 2L from the GTI more precisely from the S3 with a little boost to have 270HP

We’ll see.. i don’t think it’s performance this car is missing, it’s prescence, it definitely deliver’s from behind the wheel and also living with on a day to day basis but if it was sat in the car park next to someone’s bright orange ST or arden blue VXR you would be left feeling a tad jealous.. i would anyway.

I understand what you mean, but every time I see a VXR or ST I can’t help but think “gads”. Too loud, brash and ‘look at me’. Somehow the Renault and the Golf are more understated – if that’s what you want.

Yeh that’s also true, depends how you look at it and also what you find appealing. I’m at the tender age of 20 still so a bright orange ST is right up my street but if i was say 40 or so i’d probably be looking at the more civlized golf’s. Still, i prefer the overall package on the Focus and it doesn’t have to be bright orange, what about blue or black.. it’d be a tough choice as i am a Ford man but the Golf would definetely be my second choice, then the renault etc…

he sounds like borat when hes testing the megane! LOL

Try WRX STI a Hsv VXR and a Golf gti r32 if u want a hot hatch back competition

Oh yeah and vauxhal **** Off, rubbish Holden. The original.